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Post by hefeuh1n on Oct 25, 2013 14:06:26 GMT
Most MCs have club treasurers who manage club funds. I think that we could organize a system for members where we use heists or possibly bounties to transfer money to one member who is club treasurer in the form of club dues. Obviously the guy would have to be one of our most trusted members but the money would be used to help future members who just started by dropping them weapons or purchasing big ticket items like tanks or a club jet. I put a poll on here so feel free to vote or counter propose. (Also I know we will be voting for committee members in the future this is just an idea for a possible position.
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Post by lordcold on Oct 25, 2013 14:20:52 GMT
Yea I like the idea about club money but I just wish rockstar would put a money transfer system in so that every job you do the club gets a percent. Or we. Could have a weekly member charge where you have to pay to the club to keep full member status. But who knows, maybe they won't but it would be much cooler if they did.
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Post by hefeuh1n on Oct 25, 2013 14:24:17 GMT
Apparently guest leaders divy up the money how they see fit, also you can use the bounty system it would be tricky but it's possible
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Post by pmarten8 on Oct 25, 2013 14:33:42 GMT
Like the idea don't think the crew is quite ready yet but once the officers an reps have been sorted then i agree this should be done to help the new ones get a leg up or if a member need little help it will be there but there should be strict rules that it has to be requested on a forum once setup so all members can view the application and have their say the $$$ application must be formatted to keep it simple and easy to understand.
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Post by hefeuh1n on Oct 25, 2013 14:37:00 GMT
Agreed
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Post by Lucci on Oct 25, 2013 18:15:01 GMT
Executive Officers to still be determined. Vice President Secretary Treasurer Sergeant of Arms Road Captain
I like the idea. I think $500 per game day for prospects and $1,000 for members paid to the highest ranking member in session. Might sound like allot but were talking about less then 1 store robbery per game day. The money would mostly be spent on support from merryweather and bounties but could also be used for player incentives. In this case rather then managing the all the money the treasurer would simply make sure that all members stay compliant in paying their dues. Any member that refuses or is delinquent would be reported to the treasurer for non payment of dues.
I vote yes for this system.
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Post by usa gladiator on Oct 25, 2013 19:04:23 GMT
i vote yes, as long as its someone we can all agree on
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Post by jaysaenz503 on Oct 25, 2013 19:19:19 GMT
i vote yes, as long as its someone we can all agree on This! Lol don't want someone taking off with all the cheese.
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Post by Lucci on Oct 25, 2013 19:31:29 GMT
What I'm actually proposing is that the highest ranking member in a session, not necessarily an executive officer collects dues from the rest of the crew. This way it spreads the $ around and in the right direction. In any organization $ goes up hill and shit goes down hill. It helps reinforce a chain of command as well.
Example Session 1 Member 2 prospects x $500
$1,000 in club dues per game day. Member collects and uses as he sees fit. If the member used any of merryweather's services or put a bounty on someone the dues clearly don't even cover expenses.
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Post by pmarten8 on Oct 25, 2013 20:12:19 GMT
I propose a single person to handle the money collecting that way it can be controlled better also makes things simpler for other crew member to know who to pay their daily cut too i would have thread with this in that the Treasurer is responsible for keeping up to date also keep track of the crews finances The suitable person has to be online more then anyone that way there always there if needed Must be trusted and established Officer of the crew Be honest and keep track of their own money and not take any of the crew money Be able to report finances and update to forum and handle collections There would we a lot of responsibilities with the position like this and an the person should be voted in by election Ive coded a table below for who ever becomes the Treasurer to use if it suitable Crew Postion | Gamers Tag | Mon | Tue | Wen | Thr | Fri | Sat | Sun | Away | Presedent | Lucci2002 | N/a | N/a
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| | Commissioner 1/ Treasurer | | N/a
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Post by pmarten8 on Oct 25, 2013 21:19:24 GMT
i can see how having few baskets with eggs in is better but we now need 3/5 members to responsible for updating the financial record may consider them as forum mods and give them rights to edit a record of who they collected from so other 4 or how ever many can check who's paid what other wise i cannot see it working but only causing problems for everyone.
I would add a new board to the forum called Crew Bank or what ever then lock it to registered forum users only that way it not published to other crew who carrying what money may make them a target add
add a temp thread that can be removed once set for us to chat about the finance i only keeping it all private or keep it for general money chat
Then we can get a locked rules thread started in there for just finance rules and money collection
Thread with crew account report with who's paid record with the moderators added what else it needs
And a hit list were crew member can request help or a hit or even a loan from the ones collecting the money keep this private too
It should be cheaper for reps then muscle that way it make you want to be a rep to save a bit of cash and make them work little harder but like president said it only about 0.01% of what i earn in a few hours and anyone can afford a $1000 easy also there will be more muscle then reps so having the muscle pay more will make the crew richer faster
Also the collectors should be made to pay the president $2,500 every $10,000 they collect to pay him
We should try to balance it so we can cover the time zone difference from the UK & US then we all members can benefit from it
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Post by Lucci on Oct 26, 2013 0:50:14 GMT
I think this is too much responsibility to put on someone. It will seriously become a grind and feel like work rather then playing a game, having a good time. Even I wouldn't want to be responsible for the entire club fund, what if my account was lost? What if the treasurer couldn't "play" for a week. Now hes behind in the books, sucks to be him I think lol.
For now, I think what I previously suggested is the fairest way to spread the money around among the official members of the club. Perhaps in the future a more practical way to pool our money might come up but for now we can pay our dues and help cover some of the bills like I said.
Server 1 President = 3k per game day 2 members + $2,000 1 prospect + $1,000
Server 2 Vice President =$4k per game day 4 members + $1,000 each
Server 3 1 Member = $2,000 per game day 2 prospects + $2,000
Another example with 3 different servers and 3 different players collecting dues. Total club income per game day in this scenario is only 9k spread out among 3 servers. So really its a matter of respect to the club, cause no one is getting rich off of it. it would be up to the most senior member in the server to decide what to do with it. Maybe its avenging a member by calling in a bounty or calling in an airstrike or maybe its just giving a prospect some cash for a snack run lol.
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Post by cavemanbuck on Oct 26, 2013 2:51:05 GMT
I voted Nae... and here's why.
First of all, there is nothing really to spend "club money" on anyway. I understand getting weapons and armour and stuff for new members... But if you do indeed mean members, they should have already played enough to not worry about buying bullets. If by "new members" you mean low level prospects.... let them buy their own shit. We are emulating a 1% MC not a charity right? And besides, you start giving handouts to new prospects were gonna have A LOT of new prospects if you catch my drift, ones your not goin to be able to trust. And really once everyone gets their stimulus package this becomes moot. Also, its not like we need to pay rent on a clubhouse or property taxes or fuel costs, etc. etc. Once heists come out there may be some overhead involved; buying certain vehicles that just cant be stolen, like the cargo chopper in single player. Or having to bribe off security or cops or whatever... who knows too early to say. But either way the heist crew involved should foot the bill as they should also get to keep 100% of the score. If you want heist money, call up some members, and do a heist. Easy. But who knows? Maybe there really will be 2 million dollar helicopters that need to be bought to complete a heist, and yeah that is a lot of cheddar... There may be need of a Club fund then, as long as members are getting some form of kick backs from heists. secondly...
...this, but this doesn't just apply to the unlucky sap who gets elected treasurer... Its for everyone really. Who wants to get off a long days work and try to relax and play some GTA with the crew and then hafta worry about giving up their earnings or getting kicked out/demoted because they missed a due payment, all just to play a game with said crew..
Anyway I dunno, the idea just don't sit well with me. But heres the TLDR. Just doesn't make sense, this is a MC themed gamer clan, not a real MC. At the very least its an idea that should be put on a back shelf until more features are released and we can decide if there is really a need for this system.
Sorry if this sounds like a rant its just how I feel...
ps. Ill be online soon my son is goin to bed for the night in a bit.. so lets do some cruising or something. Id like to see enough of us on at once to get in some tdm's or other competitive activities we can compete in as a team
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Post by Lucci on Oct 26, 2013 22:10:49 GMT
What I was referring to was the role of the treasurer. I don't think as a member I would worry about giving up earnings. I don't think paying for utilities or a mechanic ruins anyone's gaming experience. $50 a day for a personal mechanic , that's crazy cheap and you get what you pay for. Half the time my guy never shows up lol. I think membership dues are a good thing for 3 reasons, first it distinguishes between those that want to be in THIS club from those that just want to be in ANY club. Secondly it reinforces the chain of command.
Lastly imagine if you went and to a drive thru with your friends, everyone has debit cards only no cash. Does one person get stiffed for the entire bill? In our situation the drive thru is merryweather and the meal is a backup helicopter costing $5,000. Better a few guys rob 1 store each then 1 guy having to rob 4.
What's currently been proposed isn't even that we pay fair shares of these expenses but that we pay SOMETHING. Something to contribute.. Lol Hell, dying isn't even free in this game, $500. Really think about that the next time a brother dies a few times backing you up. TLDR Do you guys want this to be a brother hood or an MC themed gamer clan? This isn't about getting rich its about being a brother and doing whats right.
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Post by cavemanbuck on Oct 27, 2013 16:48:41 GMT
these are very valid points. especially the playing in THIS club rather than ANY club. Allready there are a couple of guys on here I really enjoy playing with, and ive only been on with a couple so far. I don't mean to be indecisive but Im guessing its too late to change my vote now lol, cause you sold me on the idea. I hope I havnt ruffled any feathers and if I did I apologize.
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